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[P] The Forerunner

Post by 3mptylord on Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:16 am

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The Forerunner
Discussion on the Forerunner, the Creators, the Builders; those who existed before the Dwallow, whose disappearance is a mystery but whose remains is a way of life.

I came across this image whilst browsing games and thought it'd be amazing if there were a couple of cities that have fallen into disarray, would provide excellent scenary and a different style of location for training.



Dark's "The Mouths of the Creators" refine clouds and transport the water via aqueducts. But yeah, discussion. Grin


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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by 3mptylord on Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:39 am

I'm sure some would be translated. Smile

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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by Zectiox on Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:53 am

yeah during quests Grin when examed "You cant seems to read this... wait.. no nothing" Tongue
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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by 3mptylord on Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:57 am

I didn't mean by us in particular, but by cryptologists (if that's the right one). Smile

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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by Dragon78114 on Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:02 am

3mptylord wrote:I didn't mean by us in particular, but by cryptologists (if that's the right one). Smile

...or archaeologists. Tongue
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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by 3mptylord on Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:06 am

Archaeologists don't decode ancient languages, do they?

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Post by Dragon78114 on Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:19 am

I think so. The guy who translated the Rosetta Stone was an archaeologist (of course he had help from Egyptian nobility)
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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by 3mptylord on Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:06 pm

Ahh. Smile

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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by Dark Avorian on Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:59 am

Archaeologists do, because that's how they can learn about them...but the Rosetta stone was just a lucky break, if the forerunner language doesn't resemble any known one (or the alphabet doesn't) we have no idea how to decode it.
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Post by 3mptylord on Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:22 am

Actually, it would probably make more sense if it was completely unknown. A species evolves their own language, the fact surviving forerunner might be around wouldn't be noticed before it's too late for it to have had any importance. Anything otherwise would imply the new races learnt to communicate by text before spoken language. Tongue

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Post by 3mptylord on Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:54 pm

I reckon we should have Blink style transcript with the forerunner. The forerunner are having one half of a conversation, we are the other half... Smile

Forerunner: Hello, can you hear me?
Callum: Yes.
Eoghan: It's a recording, it can't hear you.
Forerunner: Yes I can.
Callum: Huh?
Eoghan: Yeah, it's a little creepy.
Forerunner: And now you're going to say "No I'm not"...
Callum: No I'm no-- wait what?
Eoghan: Honestly, it can't hear you.
Forerunner: You need to trust me!
Callum: Hold on a second, I've heard this bit before...
Eoghan: That's because it's on loop.
Forerunner: Exactly, it's fully possible you've heard any amount of this before.
Callum: So how are you responding to what I'm saying?
Forerunner: It's complicated.
Eoghan: Okay, even I'm getting weirded out.
Forerunner: Look, you need to follow me...
Callum: But you're only a recording.
Forerunner: Just keep up.
Eoghan: Okay, if I for a moment believe that conversation just happened, what are we suppose to do now?
Callum: Aren't there relay devices scattered all over the place?
Eoghan: Yes, but wha--
Callum: The (Both:) running projection!
Callum: Exactly... we've always accepted that it's just the ghost of someone running, but what if he's leading us...
Eoghan: Okay, follow me then!

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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by Dragon78114 on Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:04 pm

3mptylord wrote:Actually, it would probably make more sense if it was completely unknown. A species evolves their own language, the fact surviving forerunner might be around wouldn't be noticed before it's too late for it to have had any importance. Anything otherwise would imply the new races learnt to communicate by text before spoken language. Tongue

Or perhaps the dwallow already speak a language similar to the Forerunner, however, it is not known because a different system of writing is used.

Like similar grammatical structures... of course vocabulary will be much different.

I don't know; just an idea.

EDIT: Or like Dark said it: we simply won't know.
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Post by 3mptylord on Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:08 pm

How would they know how to speak a language they would have never heard? Tongue

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Post by Dragon78114 on Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:08 pm

one of life's great coincidences! Tongue
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Post by 3mptylord on Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:10 pm

Perhaps we just introduce that fish from the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy? Wink

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Post by Dragon78114 on Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:13 pm

or perhaps that could be a reasom that led to their demise. What if the Diminor actually arose near the end of the Forerunner, contrary to what the normal thought of history that the Dwallow civilization came much later than the Forerunner.

There are no known dates or dating systems- it could very well work- in Pallis and and the Diminor could easily hide it in lies and convince the normal Dwallows that is fact. Even most of the diminor, excpet for the highest leader or select few.

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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by 3mptylord on Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:56 pm

The evolution of language would still make modern Forerunner and ancient Forerunner very different, they may as well be different languages. Tongue

Also, I think the cataclysm would have destroyed the diminor too if they'd been around at the time. Wink

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Post by Dark Avorian on Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:19 pm

He's saying the diminor were the cataclysm Sigh
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Post by 3mptylord on Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:02 am

All I got what that he's saying they were around at the time and they are lying about it... although, they wouldn't have to lie, cataclysm aside they probably couldn't confirm it either way. Tongue

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Post by Zectiox on Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:30 am

well Dwallows are speaking something, Mogruls something, Diminor could talk something old and gibbrish to everyones ears. Forerunners... maybe just whsperings? you know like along with the wind. "And sometimes in the dark forest you can hear the forest talk to each other through the wind. Some say that it is the Forerunners who are whispering and not the trees.." spooky story.. Tongue
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Post by 3mptylord on Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:48 am

The Guild of Others Smile

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Post by Zectiox on Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:06 am

yeah... Im want to be in that one cheers Duuurrrr Win


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still, forerunner language... interesting or not it something mystics
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Post by 3mptylord on Tue Jan 04, 2011 3:44 am

I think the Diminor and Dwallow would have the same language, or at least one that is common for both to speak.

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Post by Dragon78114 on Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:04 am

or perhaps they each speak a different language but communicate with each other in a lingua franca.
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Post by 3mptylord on Tue Jan 04, 2011 6:17 am

Well it's not going to be a third language... so it's still going to be one of the two of theirs.

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Post by Zectiox on Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:55 am

still Diminors or some of the diminors who works with old stuff could include some "old Language", even if it isnt that old, just another style of the language.. if you know what I mean Tongue

Or you know, having the talking something similar as Swedish, norweigian and danish, everyone is talking their own language but everyone understand each other too...

hmm idk Tongue well still good with one language, but I thought that Diminors could live somewhat.. Aside from Dwallows, and therefor they have an "older" kind of language.

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Re: [P] The Forerunner

Post by Dark Avorian on Fri Jan 07, 2011 3:44 am

Zectiox wrote:
hmm idk Tongue well still good with one language, but I thought that Diminors could live somewhat.. Aside from Dwallows, and therefor they have an "older" kind of language.



Aside from the Dwallow? Somewhat Aside?...they live in different colonies, have different social structure, and different focus...
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