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Post by Slayer Noir on Fri Sep 02, 2011 2:32 am

Felt the need to change the title, as the conversation has moved on from just ROTM...


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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Slayer Noir on Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:57 am

So obviously, the Future Updates forum has gone into a frenzy, but the main topic of speculation is on a surprising subject, the requirements.
Many people believe them to be too low and have noticed that the Mahjarrat quest, Fight Arena, is missing along with the Ghostly Robes and Shadow Sword miniquests.

It seems to be a popular theory already that more requirements are needed than are shown, however, the reason for it is under debate:
Some believe that Ritual of the Mahjarrat will be a Recipe For Disaster style quest, with several subquests, and that the requirements given are just those needed to start.
Others seem to think the requirements are simply waiting to be unveiled, like some form of surprise.
I saw one person say he thinks Paul is avoiding "forcing" requirements, referencing Salt in the Wound where the writer implied he felt many parts of the quest were only there to give a requirement. Personally, I agree with this guy.

I'd be interested to hear your opinions on the matter...
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by 3mptylord on Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:03 am

It could also be that they simply want to limit the new requirements such that lots of people will be able to complete an epic quest that they've been spending years on. Smile

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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by MorbiusMonster on Fri Sep 02, 2011 5:30 am

Bilrach has been temporarily incapacitated in light of the current events. As to how he has disappeared is unknown, but a journal page was found. Some doubt whether it belongs to him, because it wasn't in his handwriting. It merely reads;

"You're only second rate!"

What could it all mean?
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Slayer Noir on Fri Sep 02, 2011 6:36 am

Is there a source for that, Morb, or are you just making it up??
I do predict a no-show from Bilrach though. However I doubt Jhallen will be lucky enough to miss the ritual...

And 3mpty, while I agree with you, whats your view on the omission of Fight Arena and the miniquests?
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by 3mptylord on Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:19 am

Whilst I believe that Morbius was speaking nonsense, he has made a point. Bilrach also isn't required in this quest...

I think the reason that Bilrach, Fight Arena and the other Shadow Quests aren't included because this isn't the end of the story. This quest will conclude the Ritual storyline, but I feel it will not conclude the Zaros storyline. Neither Zaros nor Zamorak will be freed during this quest. The Temple at Senntisten is only required for Azzanadra's participation in the ritual, rather than the story in Temple at Senntisten. (wow I spelt it right)

Do we actually get to decided who dies?

Also, "The planets are set to align; kith and kin will fight. More than one judge is fated to die this year however"

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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by MorbiusMonster on Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:23 am

There is far more at work here. This Ritual might not be the one that is spoken of.

Perhaps this ritual sees the gathering of the Mahjarrat at a weak point in the world. They approach a hole in reality, which leads to a place called Archeron, a place that borders the Underworld. Once there, a Mahjarrat chosen is given a task. Suceed, and their brethren will completely regenerate and the victor will find new life. Fail, and the chosen perishes whilst the others feed off used life, which is lesser so than regeneration.

The trivial fact about this ritual is that because the portal traverses not only space, but time. It all happens in seconds, so it may appear as simply dying. However, one Mahjarrat was lucky to succeed, but misunderstood the meaning of the reward. The Mahjarrat were granted new powers and their "regeneration" meant that they would be reborn to human worlds, whilst the one with new life would have their memory erased, to start anew as a different creature.

Origin of Koschei, solved, for he was once the victor and gained new life. Reason for Mahjarrat resurgence in fourth age, solved, for their rebirth in human society.
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Slayer Noir on Fri Sep 02, 2011 8:50 am

Morb, Problem with your theory, fun as it sounds, is that Zemorgal's (sp?) notes state Koschei simply disappeared and was not sacrificed.

3mpty, I see your point, it is a possibility that Khzard's storyline will be tied up elsewhere, but for the Fight Arena to not be required, Khzard would have to be a no-show for the Ritual (if he turned up and got rejuvenated it would make him stronger in Fight Arena and that would create logical inconsistency) for reasons other than his defeat at the hands at the player or his venture into the shadow realm. Consider this too - Khzard soldiers have been shown in the concept art for ROTM. I'd like to think it's an oversight by either the developer (not likely) or the person who "discovered" the fact. I am very intrigued by this one.
Also, in the developers blog, it stated that we would have no choice over which Mahjarrat (that's plural by the way, well aware of the Chaos Elemental's prophecy Tongue) die.

My theory, by the way, always has been this: Enakhra will die because she's hurt Zemourgal's pride, her rival Akthankos may form a strong alliance with the Zarosians and gang up on her, and her love for Zamorak might make her fight Lucien. She might not be the one to be sacrificed, but she will die...
The last reason in particular is a guaranteed way to die...
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Duskcurse on Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:58 pm

Hey Slayer who's your favourite Mahjarrat, and could I ask you a smal favour? Meow
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Slayer Noir on Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:10 am

I'm very mainstream, Azzanadra is my favourite. What about you?

And feel free to ask me the favour, no guarantees I'll do it though...
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Duskcurse on Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:13 am

Azzanadra is my idol, and could you film the quest with the dialogues Meow
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Slayer Noir on Sat Sep 03, 2011 12:36 am

I have absolutely no idea how to film something on my computer, sorry about that.

I'm sure that someone will post a video of the whole quest on youtube pretty soon after its release though
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by 3mptylord on Sat Sep 03, 2011 4:44 am

I like Sliske, followed closely by Azzanadra. Tongue

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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by MorbiusMonster on Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:20 am

How would a Mahjarrat die? Do they just collapse to the ground, crumble to dust, age rapidly and rot or do they simply drift into the wind as ashes?
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Dragon78114 on Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:02 am

you'll find out in the quest Wink
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by MorbiusMonster on Sat Sep 03, 2011 7:05 am

I came up with a storyline for Kharshai, but it heavily involved Arzonus.

Kharshai was a "free" Mahjarrat, meaning he had no following to either Zamorak or Zaros during the God Wars. Instead, he made a nuisance of himself by sailing the seas, raiding ships with his undead crew. That was, until, he sailed in Arzonus waters and was quikcly overwhelmed and sealed inside a specially designed prison.

Now, Rabid Jack wants the secret to Kharshai's power, and so recruits some Shadow Apprentices to his cause. He now seeks to control the ship that will allow him to rule the seas forever.
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Slayer Noir on Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:38 am

3mpty, how can you like a Mahjarrat you've never even met? Tongue
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by 3mptylord on Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:00 am

I always understood that they don't actually die, they merely step into the void and spend the rest of eternity in the crushing emptiness of nothingness.

Oh, I like the idea of Sliske. Tongue


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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Dark Avorian on Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:38 am

Well, to a being as powerful and ancient as a Mahjarrat I would think they've seen so much that actually believing in an afterlife is not their style.
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by 3mptylord on Sun Sep 04, 2011 8:45 am

Secretly there's a creature in the void that is consuming them, and granting them power in return merely to make them believe there is a purpose for the ritual.

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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Slayer Noir on Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:19 pm

When the Mahjarrat said "facing the void" in the Postbag (can't remember which one said it), I think it was just another way of saying dying, like we say "kicked the bucket" or "passed away" for example. Personally, I think that one got read into too much.

And yes, 3mpty, I like the idea of Sliske, but I certainly wouldn't like to make friends with him - he's deceived virtually every human he's ever had contact with and I don't wanna end up being a 7th barrow or similar...
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Post by 3mptylord on Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:15 am

But I like how he functions. At no point does he lie. He deceives with omission of facts/economic truths... this is cool. Smile

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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by Slayer Noir on Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:48 pm

Here's a blow to the Koschei = Kharshai theory: Blood Runs Deep isn't a requirement for Ritual of the Mahjarrat. Because Koschei is heavily involved in that quest, I don't see how he can discover he is a Mahjarrat, take part in the ritual and then just return to normal afterwards.

Of course, there are ways it could still work - Kharshai may be a no-show for the ritual or Koschei may show up and get his memory erased afterwards, but this all makes it look less likely, don't you think?
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by MorbiusMonster on Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:06 pm

There may be more Mahjarrat on the way.

Mind you, I always figured Mahjarrat's immortality derived from something similar to Horcruxes. They would seal part of their soul in an object or person and only when that was destroyed or banished from this plane, they could be killed. Here was my theory as to what each one was.

Zemouregal - Arrav of Avarrocka. Arrav was a very powerful warrior and hard to defeat in combat. Being a hero, no one alive today would willingly kill him for the purposes of good.

Lucien - Possibly the staff of Armadyl. As a powerful artefact, it is somewhat resistant to damage. Weak and limp when separate from it, but very dangerous once it was returned to him.

Enahkra and Akthanakos - Simple, eachother. Their rivalry is strong and they are evenly matched. This is fairly clever really, as they worked out that one couldn't destroy the other without destroying themselves and therefore neutralise themselves before getting the chance to kill the other.

Azzanadra - Most likely the diamonds sealed inside the pyramid that set him free. That much we know.

Jhallan - The muspah tail given to the Fremennik child (whose name escapes me). A trophy is treasured and therefore protected. Even thieves wouldn't think anything of it and assume it is typical hoarding behaviour.

General Khazard - Most likely Bouncer, which is why he felt so grieved at his death. This isn't simple grieving, Mahjarrat have rarely been seen grieving, this is a loss of something greater.

Birlach - Daemonheim and his notes. Human nature wishes to protect the oldest objects for their importance in history. Therefore they are safe to seal himself within.

Sliske - The Barrows armour most likely his object of choice to protect his spirit. As a side effect, it gives the user unnatural power. Despite its capacity to degrade, it never is completely destroyed.

Hazeel - The Carnillian armour had the power to restore him, so it might have part of him sealed within it.

Wahisietel - Currently unknown, though speculation suggests that he might be Ali the Wise. If that is the case, the intervention involved during Curse of Arrav may suggest he intends to use the heart of Arrav as an object to either store his spirit or remove Zemouregal's presence from it (should Zemouregal have used it already).

When the Ritual came, the Mahjarrat would pit their power against eachother to find one of these objects, then find an object capable of destroying it (only one kind of item can destroy one of the mortal vessels as each is unique to the owner) and then kill their respective owner before the planets move out of allignment.
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Re: Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

Post by MorbiusMonster on Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:04 pm

The Ritual of the Mahjarrat, the supposed rebirth of Zaros and the inevitable return of Giovanni Magnus. Possible connection?
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