Re: The True Nightmare

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Morbius wrote:No enemy you could possibly concieve is more powerful than the True Nightmare. Unless you present real coherent threat, it's peanuts compared to the Nightmare.

Sounds like a challenge to me!

_{(Jer wants his thread to remain on topic.)}

If you really believe that Raizahka is unworthy of turning away from omnipotence, then pursue this thought no longer.

Morb, I am srry to say this but you have changed al ot, before of this you where able to listen people, I don't say that you can't but now you threat them like crap, including people who try to help you threatening them like if they are unworthy to talk or treath with you, again I am srry but this is the true, and believe me this hurst me more than it's hurting to you

Then you've seen the half of me that shows passion strongly to my work, and I take it that it intimidates you. I'm sure by now you'd be used to it.

It is true

MorbiusMonster wrote:If you really believe that Raizahka is unworthy of turning away from omnipotence, then pursue this thought no longer.

I didn't comment on Raizahka's status at all, merely that what you were saying was erroneous/hypercritical. You said that Raizahka was neither god nor idol, yet you describe her exactly like a idol - and the purpose god serves in culture. Yet, you say the werewolves turned their back on gods for they causing more hindrance than progress - yet, and I'm guessing purely out of "writers pride", you do not have them forsake one of the gods you created.

She is renowned within the myth to have unmatched beauty, but she draws her attention away from it and uses her knowledge. Such is a virtue of the werewolves - appearance is irrelevant, knowledge and understanding is most impressive of all things.

If appearance truly didn't matter you would have written that Raizahka was scarred and ugly, with yellow-tinted, malting fur and malnourished complexion. There is no moral lesson there... you don't look upon a beautiful person whose reading a book and think, oh, beauty doesn't matter to her - she made an effort to look beautiful, and you wouldn't have looked at her in the same way if she was just your run-of-the-mill reading a book. If the wolves truly do not care for beauty then their icon would be ugly, and they would ignore it.

[quotes]The Gods are different.[/quote]

Yes, each one of them is different. Zamorak wilfully causes chaos; whilst Saradomin is just deluded to believe he can help people. This does not make Saradomin's goals bad, just misguided and naive.

Guthix does not impose on his creation at all, only that they keep it; the only time he's even intervened was to prevent its destruction. The gods are immortal, and you yourself said that with immortality comes lack of satisfaction.

Nothing matters to them? Guthix caused rocks to come to life with his tears, Armadyl is in mourning. The only god you are describing is a mortal-transcendent, Zamorak - Saradomin only defending his people and their way of life. Armadyl fought, but who's to say that wasn't in defence? Would the werewolves not defend Arzonus if it was attacked? You can reason with a blade... "knowing that killing or harming others is only a last resort". Zamorak wished for dominance, and the war started because they didn't want to be subservient.

And The Empty Lord, he is full of feelings, he cares for his empires and he is planning his back to his followers, and if you read the text of eblis he says that hte do protected them

Duskcurse wrote:The Empty Lord

Well that backfired... Although, at least now you could be talking about me. Awwh, you think I have feelings.

Indeed everi follower of his greatness has feelings

Raizahka personally hates the gods, save for Guthix or Forath. She thinks that they are nothing more than monstrous creatures, using their power and presence to get everything they want. During the God Wars, instead fighting eachother directly, they sent armies to destroy themselves in their place. In her opinion, they are all evil.

Raizahka would never use her power to such ends, or force anyone to fight her battles in her place. When she fought against the Nightmare, she fought alone and insisted no one fought in her place. Only when the Nightmare threatened the integrity of the material realm did Arzonus step in to fight it, because no one else would. They were "too" busy, fighting for a "greater good".

Raizahka hates the gods? In light of this information, for Arzonus to forsake the gods is to confirm that Raizahka is a god — as her will is innately shared by society. It doesn't matter if she is immortal.

She is no god. By saying she is a god is like saying the Doctor is a god. He is powerful, but isn't perfct. He still feels loss, he still is mortal and still suffers, and can inspire people greater than any god.

She's powerful, but she is imperfect. Gods are decided as flawless by their followers.

Um thats true, but that doesnt means that hey dont have failures, also do the player meets and forms a bonf with Raizahka?

They have. Raizahka has already spoken with the player in the dream plane. She will appear soon enough. Unlike Gods, she isn't bound by the edicts and she will come to those who need to see her.

But do whe will be able to make a bond with her?

I have yet to write how strongly she bonds with the player. She uses familiars, each part of her own spirit, communicate with some people. If she really cares about someone, she'll visit them as herself so it appears already she has feelings for the player seeing as she guides them from the dream world in "The Stolen Dreams".

According to something I wrote down, the original name for the Torn Realm was Xayeraxii. It appeared to be a pocket dimension created by Raizahka as a cell, separate from the rest of the world. It was designed to keep certain actions away from the world.

One of the highlights of The Nightmare Begins are the battles. One, unconventional, battle is the one with Rhetorii after you claim he owes you a favour. Death by Gambling.

This little game doesn't test combat ability, but luck and strategy. Here's how "Death by Gambling" works.

The gamblers are placed into an arena, with a large slot machine in the centre, with playing cards appearing at random. What one must do is to eliminate their opponents using all means at their disposal. You must collect cards until you have four. Depending on the cards you pick will be the move you cast.

If you gather a proper move, like Royal Flush or Four Aces, then you can use it for a powerful move that hits through prayer. Otherwise, if your cards are unimpressive you'll be able to fire a "trump card" move that deals basic damage. You have to beat your opponent to the cards, by firing shots at them to knock them back.

If you have at least three cards, then you can fire them at the slot machine in the centre to stop a dial. If you stop three or the last one, then you can cast another kind of move that is more powerful than card moves, either by using explosive charges or unleashing aura at its maximum.

Rhetorii has the ability of Supression, removing prayer if it used. Therefore his attacks will do damage when he knocks you away, but because he's very skilled with his staff, all attacks you use will be deflected before they do damage, but the rotation also propels him backwards.

Rhetorii's health is low and doesn't regenerate during combat, to compensate for the difficulty of the duel. After the quest is completed, Death by Gambling can be played again where the opponents are much stronger and with other players.

The final chapter of "The Nightmare Begins", titled the same features an area called "End of the World". As the two moons collide, the dark energy within is called upon by the Nightmare, whose power has now reached an extent where it can now penetrate the mortal plane from the Torn Realm and unleash its evil across the entire planet.

During this stage, you play as multiple Arzonus characters, with the goal to reach one of the "safer" wormholes. As the Torn Realm manacles itself to Gielinor, portals to the other realm are forced open, some as gateways for the monsters within to terraform Gielinor for themselves, others as openings into nothingness. Only one portal will allow safe entry to the Torn Realm, and the character must find it, whilst avoiding the Nightmare's underlings.

Morbius + Maya - Arzonus
Donicus - Vulpes
Yaanas + Josephine - Lycosa
Fang + Rhetorii - Latranz
Mentor Pisces + Zanik - Battle Island
Adam - Arctic Camp
Kira + Master Maelstrom - Lupine

The likes of Terra and Cheyenne will already be present in the Torn Realm, having chosen to accompany the player against the Nightmare. Terra places it as his duty, because he is able to traverse the Dream Plane and therefore holds himself as protector of it. Cheyenne attends so that she can "persuade" the Nightmare and the Shadow Apprentices to tell her what has become of Giovanni.

However, in one of the End of the World zones an alternate portal that is still usable is taken, some hidden content is available. This bonus feature isn't compulsory, but unlocks another section of End of the World with the protagonist being a special bonus character.

nice one : )

As the Nightmare is defeated, Tandoca's contract of servitude is destroyed and she begins to feel death tries to reclaim her as she attempts to leave what is left of the Torn Realm.

Tandoca - "I feel so heavy, just really heavy. What's happening?"

A white light in the darkness shrouds Tandoca very faintly.

Tandoca - "It is time."

Player - "Tandoca, are you coming?"

"What's that strange light? What's happening to you?"

Tandoca - "My contract was invalidated."

Player - "What do you mean?"

Tandoca - "I am held here by a contract the Nightmare designs. If I betray it or fulfil my reason for living, then the contract is invalidated."

Player - "..."

Tandoca - "And in such an event, I will returned to my death."

Player - "What?! No, I came here to save you!"

Tandoca - "You did, and you set me free from this prison, and allowed me to properly die."

Player - "But all we've done! Why are you just going to let this happen?"

Tandoca - "They didn't find a body in the ruins did they?"

Player - "No, but what does that have to do with anything?"

Tandoca - "I saw Raizahka, her spirit shining so strongly in comparison to me. And I thought, why should I obey the rules of a Nightmare, just continue living, when those I care about are being killed and dying around me?"

"So Raizahka made me a deal."

"She showed me the truth, about my sister. Whom I have longed to see all my life."

"And I thought my purpose fulfilled at this point would let me go, but it didn't."

"Then I realised I had another purpose. To make sure you (player) were safe."

"And now that you are, and now that the Nightmare can no longer harm you, I can die."

Player - "But I don't understand!"

Tandoca - "Raizahka offered me another death. I would just fade out of existence upon the expiration of the contract."

The light surrounding Tandoca becomes harsher.

Player - "Please, Tandoca! Don't go!"

Tandoca - "Please don't make this any harder for me! It's not that I wasn't expecting this!"

Player - "Surely Raizahka can do something!"

Tandoca - "She has. I was allowed just this last opportunity to see you off, but it is almost over. Not everyone gets that!"

Player - "Don't go! Please Tandoca! I don't want you to go!"

Tandoca - "I have no choice!"

A tear falls from Tandoca's eye, lands on the ground and glitters as it fades away from existence.

Tandoca - "The time has come. Take care and always remember me."

Player - "Tandoca!"

The player rushes over to Tandoca just to hold her one last time, but is unable to touch her as she vanishes away.

Player - "TANDOCA! No, please! Tandoca!"

The player collapses to the ground in tears, before Maelstrom limps along with his walking stick to find the player.

And no one noticed.

I noticed, but didn't quite know what to comment...

Honestly, I think it is a little dragged out, and maybe a bit... Theatric? (Is that the word?). The player seems a little too begging and/or pathetic, although I like Tandoca's 'acting', I'm not quite fond of the player's.

Sounds lame, if you ask me. If I was the hero, I would reassure her as she's about to die or go silent and not know what to say... the whole child whose never experienced death before (don't go, wake up, etc) doesn't fly with me. That is, unless we're suppose to be in love with her... but then, I don't think that's all good either.

Well if you'd rather, I'll make it so that she just vanishes, unmourned.

Basically, you've just found out she didn't die at Farnadeos when the building exploded and that she is in the Torn Realm safe and sound. But she is being held there by the Nightmare, who will hold her there, undying and unaging for untold decades to serve its purposes, which goes against every bit of her moral fibre.

You've defeated the Nightmare, in a bid to set her free, but she still has to die, despite everything you've been through. You first met her some time before, you've come to value her as more than an associate, as a friend even. The player feels real emotion for her. To lose her like this, you're bound to feel upset. You've lost her once and now you have to lose her all over again, in spite of saving her.

It's a real tender moment, she's dying and this time you are there to see it and she chooses to spend her last moments with you, not with anyone else. Doesn't that make you feel anything? You can't even hold her again.

No, it doesn't, because I haven't played the quest at all. I don't think anyone said she had to die unmourned, just that "DON'T GO!" is kinda weak.

Well then, why don't YOU write one? You complain that my is weak, suggesting you have knowledge of a good one, so why not write one?

If you think it is childish, then be fair, the player looks no older than 18 and is unsurprisingly immature.

morbius did you ever read my post on page two of the Arzonus thread!?