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Indigenous
Discussion on the native species of Pallis.

Anyone got any ideas for indigenous species?

Thus far I've created two; a species of bird and the human-counterpart.

The human-counterpart, the dwallow, are--well, human-ish. They are taller than humans, their skin tones are shades of pale blues and purples, their eyes are large and their noses are flush with their face. They are pseudo-religion, in that they worship (in a respect sense, not a pray sense) a race which preceded them - known by names such as the Builders, Creators, Forerunners, etc - whose technology makes their survival possible. (When doodling, I played around with adding skin-horns/tails that grow from from just above their ears (similar to the Digimon, Veemon) - but I never completely convinced myself).

The bird, which I haven't named, fills an ecological niche provided by the waterfalls - building their nests beneath the waterfall mouths, and darting through the water to catch what ever poor morsel falls over the edge. The dwallow "fish" for these birds, by hanging bait over the edge and then reeling in the catch.

I was giving an example, I was just giving an example, they dont have anithing like electricity, and what doesnt tells to you that they are strong, and btw, why the hell it's like the same to swear in english, and whatthe hell is korny?

What do you want to do? What exactly do you want? In your best English please so there may be less misunderstanding.

Sorry just a quick point. I wanted to come in and say one thing about the cursing. It is not as strong as it is English. Cursing in colloquial spanish is...well...constant and not really meant to cause any offense afaik.

Ok 3mpty, what I want is a race, a race of insects who do have average intelligence, like the dwallows for example, who are fiercely territorial and divided in sub-castes, not like the diminor Dark, not they work similar to a beehive with one diference there is no queen, as they are all free to reproduce, so there are commoner or common people, soldiers, workers and incubators, members of the community specially brred to the purpouse of tending the newborn, and there in only one clan, living in the ruins, of an ancient city whose origins have been lost on time, note that this race that I have decided to call the antare by popular deman physically are more akin to scorpions, but their systems work like a beehive or an anthill, but only in how it works, after saying that, this is what I want 3mpty, I hope that you now understand me better

Dark you may be right, but believe me there are people who curse very well in spanish

It's a combination of things that don't work for me, not things indiviudlally.

We have the a hive-creature; the dragon. I wouldn't call it territorial, but hive creatures tend the hive. (I'm not saying it's not territorial, but in my head terrtoial is a larger area of land that they reserve exclusive access to... A hive is an enclosed area, it's more just being defensive).

I don't think a combination of hive and intelligent work. It makes good kids films, but I don't think it works otherwise. The point of hive is creatures behave like drones... Serve a purpose. No room for creativity.

There isn't room for another territorial intelligent race. North is occupied by a territorial race, the south is occupied by several races living together. The antare would be irradiated by the mogrul, and I don't want them being territorial in the south just because.

Is the cave goblins what you're getting at? All young are raised equal and then the young draw jobs from a hat? I don't see this working with an ugly race... Just aesthetically it doesn't work for me. I guess I could be convinced otherwise here. But I already planning to use the jobs from a hat for dwallow, but I could change that I guess.

I also have a compromise. It requires cooperation for both 3mpty and Dusk:

3mpty: Move the Mogrul(sp?) out of the desert; they have their mountainous rocks.

And as for you Dusk, I think you should include the ancient relics in, but change up the lore behind them. How about the Forerunners gave them that land to preside on and the permission to live in the desert was confirmed on that relic in some ancient tongue. They hold it dear in their society and only let the priests see it. They have a concept of god in their religion but not necessarily is referred to as "god". (I dunno. You can make it up, but please argue out the existence of Scorpicore(sp?) on another thread(e.g. the thread I made), so some progress pertaining to this topic can be made.)

There. Please stop the pointless debate.

Right now, we need to develop the series of quests regarding to the two main factions, and we'll integrate your idea in if we need to. Remember, this is just the planning stage.

Ok I agree

The forerunner did not give them land. It's nothing personal, but they didn't give people land. The forerunner had no desire to be past tense.

Mogrul territory is a desert, a stone desert. To take them out the desert is to limit them to a very small area of swamp. But assuming you mean sand, the mogrul don't occupy it... It's a desert. It's a hostile sandy terrain. I suppose to accompany their sensaivity of cold and humid conditions, they could have poor eyelid functions that mean harsh sandy weather can really upset them... But the list of biological cons in the mogrul is getting high.

I can imagine creatures hiding in the sand storms, living in caves with torn fabric over the doors, capable of "swimming" in the sand... But I can't also picture them being highly intellectual. Maybe they could just be arrogant, they could have a monarchy in some underground city... They have their gods and they despise "people science", thinking it forsakes the gods. They are hostile, but they don't kill intruders without first asking why they are intruding. They like to mock the surface dwellers, are very proud, etc.

But there should still be post-nuclear disaster husks

By the way, just to explain the Diminor in the idea that the Forerunner gave no one land:

The forerunner infrastructure was built to protect them, and the Diminor helped keep it up and act a s guards.

The Bak are a few high quality ones who dealt with the magics directly.

The Bor acted as mundane fighters and material gatherers.

The Az did crafting, servitude, scribes, etc.

The Ak were the ones who were able to withstand the magic at the edge.

why everybody hates me

I thought the diminor came to live in forerunner ruins, and had respect for the purpose of their technology. If your suggesting they were present with the forerunner I must protest... They would be past tense too if they were active when the forerunner were.

Because you left out 'does' somewhere in that sentence

Not necessarily. Only if it were a direct catastrophe, it could just as easily have been some ritual they were involved in that burned them from the earth. I thought I made it clear that the Diminor originated from the servants of the Forerunners.

Also. Please deflate your administrative ego and realize that just because you can move threads around doesn't make you supreme creative director of the project.

Duskcurse wrote:why everybody hates me

Umm. I don't? I'm hating your idea because it doesn't fit, and I'm hating that you're not liking any of my compromises, but it's nothing against you.

I'm trying to make your species fit, but as Dragon says the story revolves around the player. The player is Dwallish, or a human with southern sympathies (depending on whether we're doing for a new story or humans from RuneScape continuing)... We don't play as mogrul, diminor or antare. So antare have to be either a protagonist or antagonist to the story, they can't be more important. This a heading in the direction of Morbius and his wolf superiority-complex in an argument about their place in RuneScape.

[quote="3mptylord. The player is Dwallish, or a human with southern sympathies (depending on whether we're doing for a new story or humans from RuneScape continuing)... We don't play as mogrul, diminor or antare. So antare have to be either a protagonist or antagonist to the story, they can't be more important. This a heading in the direction of Morbius and his wolf superiority-complex in an argument about their place in RuneScape.[/quote]

Now who is giving a specie the top place, you, dark is right about you

Dark Avorian wrote:Not necessarily. Only if it were a direct catastrophe, it could just as easily have been some ritual they were involved in that burned them from the earth. I thought I made it clear that the Diminor originated from the servants of the Forerunners.

Also. Please deflate your administrative ego and realize that just because you can move threads around doesn't make you supreme creative director of the project.

My administrative ego? What's me being admin got to do with this?

I'm sorry if some of what I'm saying is coming out like I want things my way, but all this is being built on one of my ideas and I'm sorry if my preconceived notions of Pallis is somewhat dictating my feels to some ideas. No, I didn't get the impression from when you introduced the diminor that they were actual servants. The forerunner were irradicated, and ive never implied it was forerunner origin as I've mentioned that it's a doomsday due to happen again.

Well one of the species has to be playable! If not human, the only of the two largest races that make sense is dwallow. I don't like the idea of multiple playable races as it would require multiple main stories which I feel would take some impact out a would-be-single main story.

pft in wow they did that and it's really popular

Have you seen World of Warcrafts story?

Yes, according to my friends I know more than it's creators

Yeah, but I don't want to copy WoW. A world created by gods or flights or whatever who then had their own directions for it and wars among the people. Just from level 20 I learned the quests offered nothin the sense of a gripping story... When exactly does it start?

OH FOR FUN'S SAKE I WAS GIVING A DAMN XAMPLE I AM NOT TLLINGU TOPYWOW I WAS TELLING OU THIS, "LOOK AT WOW THEY HAVE A TON OF Cabbage RACES 2 MAJOR POLITCAL GOVERMENTS IT'S ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR GAMES IN THE WORLD"

I didn't say you wanted to copy WoW, I said I didn't. I personally don't want multiple playable races as it's something WoW has. There will be two distinct factions, multiple races and such... But I want a more linear storyline like that of the rpg games such as Fable, Oblivion, Fallout, Mass Effect, RuneScape, Call of Duty, etc.

Multiple playable races becomes subject to making them equal, as well as existing balance issues with just one race... And stories are less impactual, only affecting local areas. That is, aside from stories that effect everyone regardless, like the Cataclysm. It's harder to have important stories as they have to be balanced for each race, but different so not repetitive.

oh god, one an argue whith you

Huh?