Mahjarrat Discussion (spoilers)

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Felt the need to change the title, as the conversation has moved on from just ROTM...

I haven't gone and spoken to Arrav afterwards yet...

As for the Kin, you have a nightmare where you see them destroy Draynor at the end of the quest. As you wake up, the Dragonkin tell you this is a vision of the future, and that "it begins in Edgeville". After this, Edgeville looks like it's been attacked by the Kin.


I think I shall try to answer the points of speculation in this thread:

How Mahjarrat die: The ritual sacrifice simple disappeared once killed, the other Mahjarrat who died didn't do anything special - his body laid there, unchanged at his death.

The nature of Kharshai: Kharshai is a no-show for the ritual.

Sliske not being trustworthy: I was DEFINITELY right about this one, Sliske tries to turn you into a barrow, but Akriskae jumps in the way of the spell, becoming one himself.

Mahjarrat having horcrux like items: This theory actually still could work, but there will be major spoilers if I say why.

Zaros' Return: Barely touched on during the quest, but still possible afterwards.

Bilrach not appearing: Correct. In fact, it's VERY strongly implied that Bilrach is dead.

The nature of the Balance Elemental: The Balance Elemental is not mentioned at all.

Lucien's daughter: Certainly not revealed, but I did notice something that could tell us who she is...

Going to Mos Le'Harmless in the quest: Correct.

Sliske loving snakes: Sliske makes no mention of snakes, I'm afraid.

The Crux Equal breaking up: Doesn't happen during the quest, but they might have disbanded afterwards, I'll check.

Lucien draining the Stone: Nothing that suggests this is mentioned, the Stone just has a different colour.


There we go then, that's everything.

Jhallan and Lucien are killed.

But my theory of how the Stone of Jas works still applies, albeit slightly modified. The real stone of Jas is the moon, the stone we see is a part of it, and still fairly powerful. In others words, it is still something of a decoy, but a remnant of the real thing. If your attention is focussed on something so simple, your attention is drawn away from the fact that what you seek is false.

The Dragonkin admit that their power is the stone. However, there is a logical explanation. Tasked with guarding the stone eventually meant that they assimilated its power and it theirs. The player gets a boost just from touching it, but having been exposed to it for hundreds of years, the Dragonkin became part of it.

I was trying not to say that, just in case people didn't know...

When Lucien dies, the Kin hit him with the Staff of Armadyl so hard it breaks, then stab him with it, so you could still be right about it being like a horcrux to him.

But there is still more to this tale than is shown. The likes of Bilrach and Kharshai were no shows, and there is still something key to the longevity of the Mahjarrat. They rejuvinate by sacrificing another, but how do they last that long inbetween?

Bilrach is believed to be dead, or at least died fairly recently. I can use that still in the Nightmare Begins, with the Nightmare being the one that called him to the Torn Realm, so that he could use him to begin seeping to this world once more.

Now this is very interesting...

It appears that you can craft new runes known as Armadyl runes. These do not have their own altar, but instead are empowered air runes, crafted when Armadyl dust is present in the inventory.

Now, equally as interesting are these facts.
1. They are only available for one use, Storm of Armadyl spell. A god spell that, unlike the others, requires no staff to cast nor is exclusive to the arena, but the staff does help. Uniquely, it is the ONLY rune required and only one is needed. Sky rocketing in price is imminent.
2. The symbol is green, unlike Armadyl's known colours of white or gold. Then again, the staff does feature a green orb.
3. 15 minutes after the release of the spell, players chanted "Zalestro" three times when this spell was cast. For reasons unknown, it was quickly removed.

Could this suggest in near future that similar "God runes" could also be implimented into the game? Perhaps enhanced fire, earth or water runes could be the god runes of Guthix, Zamorak or Saradomin?

I think the whole Armadyl spell and staff served two purposes:

1. Making mage stronger, rebalancing the combat triangle
2. Satisfying anyone who hoped they'd get the staff or Armadyl as a quest reward

I think saying it had any other purpose might be looking into it a bit too deeply, but I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise.




I'd like to discuss the part of the quest that has, without a doubt, been playing on my mind most since I finished it yesterday:

In the dream sequence/vision of what is to come, in Drayor, we see Lucien's body on the floor.
To be honest, this makes me a little bit suspicious about whether he's actually dead, after all, his body didn't disappear like Jhallen's, and if the dream was a vision, he how did his body get there? Apart from anything else, I felt he was lost pretty cheaply - he went from RuneScapes greatest villain to a corpse in about 5 seconds.

Anyway, that's NOT actually what interested me most about the cutscene, though I thought it worth mentioning. No, what interested me most was who was next to Lucien, crying. It was Kuradel... Why would Kuradel be crying over Lucien's body? Why would JaGex put it in - what were they hinting at? Could SHE be Lucien's daughter? It bugs me...

who knows, did you talked to arrav or A>zzanadra after the quest?

I spoke to Azzanadra but the conversation didn't cover the dream or the possibility of Lucien having a daughter.

He did, however, say that if we want vengeance on Sliske he won't stop us...

uh nice, and on arrav, did he mentioned something on wahistiel or about Akrisae, any more info on sliske, did you talked with wahistiel and/or with arrav?

Ali the Wise says little of interest. He promises to help you fight the Dragonkin, and strongly hints that Bilrach is dead (but I've already mentioned that).

I'm looking for more information right now - I'm going to Falador to talk to Tiffy and Thaerisk, and after that I'll find Arrav. I'll let you know what happens.

Excellent, btw I have heard he is still in the ritual plateu

and remember to writte down the most important things of the conversation

I had no intention of forgetting, Dusk.


Tiffy says virtually nothing of interest: He's glad to see Lucien dead and worried about the Dragonkin. Who isn't?

Thaerisk has left Falador castle and returned to Taverly - it seems the Crux Equal has disbanded, with it's objective complete. Paying him a visit in Taverly yield's absolutely nothing - he says he's too busy to chat.

I also visited the Old Man at the barrows who many players believe to be Sliske - his dialogue is exactly the same as before, I think.

Speaking to Movario also gives no exciting hints - he just talks about the Stone's residual energy making you stronger, and I knew that already.

Getting back into Zemourgal's fortress revealed nothing significant. He and his gargoyle (who's name I won't even attempt to spell) are both in an inaccessible room and can't be interacted with.

Arrav, who you seem to want to hear about most, Dusk. After searching the Ritual Plateau for ages, I finally found him. It gives me no pleasure to tell you that, after warning you that Zemourgal will attack Varrok again, Arrav passes away - his life having only been sustained by Zemourgal. He seemed happy though - the player asks if they can save him, and he tells them they already did.

Poor arrav, may he rest in peace finally, btw do you think that Arrav was married?, and were do he was in the ritual plateau?

The common theory is that the little-known hero Cammora was Arrav's lover, since their statues are next to eachother in the Hero's Guild. To me, that makes sense.

He was in the north of the plateau, by Ghorrok

ahhh, did any of thje npc mention Akrisae, and are there any armadylian npcs left?

Akrisae is only mentioned when discussing Sliske with Azzanadra, and it's only really in the context of wanting vengeance on Sliske...

As for Armadylians, I think some guardians still exist (they can't have all been killed at the Plateau), but without a leader or anything to guard, I'm not sure what they'll do next...

hmmm ok, btw why do you think Azzanadra wwould let us kill Sliske?

Because he told us he would. His dialogue suggests that he thinks Sliske is a bit of a weirdo, and he respects our right to avenge Akrisae.

It seems that after doing so many favours for Azzanadra, we are truly allied with him, or he at least wants to keep us happy until our part in Zaros' revival is done.

That, or perhaps his code of honour leads him to believe a fair fight is the right way to settle the disagreement between us and Sliske.

Either way, he very clearly states he will not stand in our way should we wish to fight Sliske.


"You: After you left... Sliske tried to turn me into one of his barrow wights, but took one of my friends instead

Azzanadra: I have no control over his actions, even alongside other Mahjarrat he's always been... different
While I would rather not lose him as my ally, I would not begrudge you your revenge, though I doubt you will find him unless he wishes to be found"

Or the other option is that Azzanadra already knows the sting of betrayal, and care to post the part of wahistiel helping us againjst the kin here, oh and care to mention an quote you found awesome from the quest, I heard one that I love

If I'm passing by Nardah, I'll try and get the quote.

As for favorite quotes, I can't say I have one. Whats yours?

It wassomething like "if there's one thing you can trust about Sliske is that you can't trust in Sliske" it made me lol

I've noticed something rather strange about the Dragonkin, and I want your opinions on it.

For some strange reason, there seems to be a really strong association between the Dragonkin, and East, the direction.

In Movario's notes, he describes the Dragonkin as "evil bird spirits of the east"
Dathana's message from Kethsi library notes that, when the Dragonkin attacked Kethsi, they invaded from the east
In ROTM, they are found on Mos Le'Harmless, one of the easternmost areas of RuneScape, and during the quest, you must chase them further east
Daemonheim, which has statues of Dragonkin, is also quite an eastern location
The Dragonkin symbol is half a COMPASS rose and half the Stone of Jas. It appears that when held upright, the compass rose is on the east side
When the Dragonkin appeared at the Ritual, they came from the east

So you can probably dismiss a couple of those as paranoia, but the Dragonkin are NEVER associated with any other point of the compass - Jagex could've had the Dragonkin attack Kethsi from anywhere, the fact they even chose to mention which direction they came from makes me suspicious.

It seems like, just as the Mahjarrat built up gave constant referances to the north before it was revealed that their ritual was there, the Kin are starting to associate themselves with the east. But why?

I think that whilst you make a valid point, it's a little too close after using the "north" to use the same plot device again.

I just think there's too many references to the east for them to be written off as coincidence, I know my explanation for them is unlikely...

Just pooped my pants...

You: I've defeated Lucien
Wise Old Man: Truly, your bravery exceeds your stature, but I fear his defeat will not be permanent"


LUCIEN'S COMING BACK!


So yeah, we're all screwed.